http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/-t1.htm Discuss Hunter and Pet Talents, Builds, Abilities, Mechanics, Stats, Formulas, Macros, etc. Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:10:41 GMT 10 http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/13/79/44/05/forum_10.jpg http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/-t1.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/thoughts-important-stats-for-pet-tanking-t138.htm Kurasu Now before people get hopeful, this isn't going to have a lot of heavy numbers theorycrafting in it. I'm allergic to numbers, and clinically mathematically retarded. Due to this, my thoughts are from the point of view of 'This is what I see', and I welcome (in fact, practically beg) people who can either correct the views or add in real and heavy numbers. With 3.3 coming up fast, and the net buffs we are going to be getting for tanking, I figured I'd put down the usual measure of what I ... Tenacity Theorycraft Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:10:41 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/thoughts-important-stats-for-pet-tanking-t138.htm#1195 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/thoughts-important-stats-for-pet-tanking-t138.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/threat-aspect-t14.htm Doug
I would like to find out whether Thunderstomp scales with the Pet Spell power (which scales with hunter RAP) or Melee AP of the pet?

It would seem to me that Hawk is the correct aspect for tanking threat generation, am I correct in this?]]> Tenacity Theorycraft Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:20:49 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/threat-aspect-t14.htm#61 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/threat-aspect-t14.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/resilience-cap-t75.htm Durante So now that pets will be able to gain uncritability though resilience, its going to be important for us to know exactly how much resilience we need. The following are the amounts of resilience you need to be uncrittable against different level mobs. 2/2 Grace of the Mantis Mob LevelChance to be Crit Player Resilience Needed 80 1% 236 81 1.2% 283 82 1.4% 331 83 1.6% 378 1/2 Grace of the Mantis Mob LevelChance to be Crit Player Resilience Needed 80 3% 708 81 3.2% ... Tenacity Theorycraft Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:12:24 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/resilience-cap-t75.htm#669 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/resilience-cap-t75.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/what-is-it-with-them-thar-shammies-or-random-scaling-musings-t129.htm Doug I have been running heroics somewhat more regularly of late and one thing I have noticed is that group composition with buffs makes a huge difference. This is fairly obvious of course, but what I have been noticing is that shammies do something that makes threat go through the roof. I was wondering if anyone has noticed this too, and whether anyone knows specifically what causes it. From what I can tell it is specifically enhance shammies, leading me to think that windfury may be at ... Tenacity Theorycraft Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:57:56 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/what-is-it-with-them-thar-shammies-or-random-scaling-musings-t129.htm#1110 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/what-is-it-with-them-thar-shammies-or-random-scaling-musings-t129.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/enchant-armsman-t38.htm Ihlos Does anyone know if the Armsman enchant http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=44625#comments Increases pet threat too? At first I just assumed it wouldn't, but then I started thinking that technically the hunter wouldn't be getting 2% threat without the pet threat too, and I figured it was worth looking into. I should be able to test this by looking to see if the pets basic attacks do more threat than damage, with and without the enchant. Anyone know? Then of course we will need to see ... Tenacity Theorycraft Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:12:11 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/enchant-armsman-t38.htm#311 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/enchant-armsman-t38.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/a-new-build-t124.htm bigfootzz Ive been looking over my full BM spec and I think if I toy with it a bit I can get a bit more out heres the make up. What do you think? Level 80 Hunter (51/5/15) Beast Mastery (51 points) Improved Aspect of the Hawk - Rank 1/5 While Aspect of the Hawk or Dragonhawk is active, all normal ranged attacks have a 10% chance of increasing ranged attack speed by 3% for 12 sec. Endurance Training - Rank 5/5 Increases the health of your pet by 10% and your total health by 5%. Focused ... Tenacity Theorycraft Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:54:03 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/a-new-build-t124.htm#1060 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/a-new-build-t124.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/hunter-hit-rating-t116.htm dreamscaper I can not find a clear answer to this, so maybe you guys know. I might be one of the few hunters who actually wants to know so maybe you can give me mobs to test hit ratings out on maybe? I assumed: 80 - 5% 81 - 5.5% 82 - 6% 83 - 8% This might be a throw back from level 70 hit stats. Someone posted a wiki saying: 80 - 5% 81 - 5.2% 82 - 5.4% 83 - 8% Which is right? I assume the 2nd one, so i'm thinking the reverse would be: 79 - 4.8% 78 - 4.6% 77 ... Tenacity Theorycraft Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:48:52 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/hunter-hit-rating-t116.htm#990 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/hunter-hit-rating-t116.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/silverback-vs-spiked-collar-t114.htm Doug I did some more calculations for Silverback versus Spiked collar because it has been bothering me, could someone see if I made any glaring errors here? My calculations are as follows- The first bit is easy because SB gives 1.43 TPS per 1k health per point (10 health per 3.5 seconds*0.5 threat per point healed.) or 0.013 threat per second per point of stamina per point. 30k pet health yields ~85 TPS and 50K yields ~144TPS. (Roughly) *Edit* I forgot the healing modifiers, ... Tenacity Theorycraft Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:24:14 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/silverback-vs-spiked-collar-t114.htm#984 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/silverback-vs-spiked-collar-t114.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/growl-and-misses-t89.htm Durante So I ran a little test on how Growl works with misses and resists. Recount doesn't log successful casts of Growl, only its misses, so I just timed the length of the test. 30 minutes x 60 second/minute = 514 casts 3.5 seconds/cast Out of 514 casts against a 83 level dummy with no Hit talents or gear, there were 64 misses for a miss percentage of 12.45%. Its a bit high but being 4.5% off in a sample of 514 casts isn't unheard of for RNG. Just to be sure though I'm ... Tenacity Theorycraft Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:16:36 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/growl-and-misses-t89.htm#788 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/growl-and-misses-t89.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/request-numbers-for-resilience-t85.htm Kurasu With the newest patch out, pets now are getting 40% of their hunter's resilience. This is a long-awaited change, as it means we can make our pets crit-immune! ... there's just one problem: the new number for crit-immunity is 15% higher than it used to be. So I'm putting a shout out: how much resilience does this mean a hunter needs to get his pet to be crit-immune? I can't do mathematics (like, literally; I'm clinically math-retarded), so my head for theorycrafting comes from extensive testing, ... Tenacity Theorycraft Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:54:18 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/request-numbers-for-resilience-t85.htm#759 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/request-numbers-for-resilience-t85.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/the-hit-table-t19.htm Durante This first post is a direct copy and paste from a post I made in the official Tanking forum a while back. It gives an overview of how the attack table works. In the second post I will explain what this means for us and our pets. This post is meant to be an easy to understand primer on how the attack table works, how if effects tanks and the way their avoidance effects combat. Anyone who is serious about end game raiding should do further research into the topic, but this post should serve ... Tenacity Theorycraft Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:05:33 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/the-hit-table-t19.htm#94 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/the-hit-table-t19.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/wotlk-pet-tanking-spreadsheet-t34.htm Durante Pet Tanking Spreadsheet: Based on Shandara's DPS Spreadsheet, modified by Durante Created in Microsoft Excel 2003. There will not be an Open Office version. Beta v.3: http://www.filefront.com/13951045/undefined Contains additional gear, buffs, debuffs, mitigation calculations, TPS calculations, display layouts, and also contains some fixes in modeling of hunter and pet armor, and pet stamina and health. The week or so I've been working a modifying a copy of the WotLK DPS Spreadsheet ... Tenacity Theorycraft Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:28:07 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/wotlk-pet-tanking-spreadsheet-t34.htm#253 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/wotlk-pet-tanking-spreadsheet-t34.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/pet-avoidance-test-t66.htm Durante I got a Ret pally to help me with a test today to try to figure out the baseline parry, dodge, and block rates for our pets. He was gearless except for his weapon, which didn't have any hit or expertise on it, nor does he get any from glyphs or talents. Here are the results. http://wowwebstats.com/orsnsiizxmjes?a=Gx68000000114830a#abilities Miss: 119 5.6% Parry: 111 5.2% Dodge: 143 6.8% (Note: My pet was speced into Pet Barding, providing an extra 2% dodge. This ... Tenacity Theorycraft Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:14:49 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/pet-avoidance-test-t66.htm#555 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/pet-avoidance-test-t66.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/agi-ap-t45.htm Doug A) Keep stacking Stam for the extra threat of SB (see the threat aspect thread) or
B) Stack Agi for the additional crit (Cobra Strikes would provide much more aggro than AP itself can) and armour (since the tank mantra is mitigation>threat>everything else).

Does this make sense?]]> Tenacity Theorycraft Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:09:19 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/agi-ap-t45.htm#360 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/agi-ap-t45.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/flinch-t36.htm Doug I have been pondering the whole crit immunity situation over the last week or so and came up with the following: Pets do not need full crit immunity because of the healing mechanics applied to them. Even so, Turtles become effectively crit immune (and much more besides) through Spell Shield for a short period. The real thing which is a danger is the double crit scenario and is RNG on the level of Mace/TnT stuns (if not worse). Bearing this in mind I propose we should not be aiming for ... Tenacity Theorycraft Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:15:07 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/flinch-t36.htm#262 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/flinch-t36.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/getting-hit-t30.htm Bear behind With all the stam i am trying to gather i am obviously pushing other dps stats away and decreasing threat Hit is a very good way to increase your dps until the cap and then i stack AP - Should i be doing the same in reverse when ditching DPS stats? i.e am i better of removing extra AP before Hit? I understand that AP scales with our pets - and that they it increases threat generation through several ways such as growl, - but if im missing loads of attacks then my threat could be ... Tenacity Theorycraft Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:58:02 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/getting-hit-t30.htm#188 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/getting-hit-t30.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/hunter-talents-for-pet-focus-t8.htm KingRamsesIII Ihlos, I noticed you eschewed GFTT in your recommended tanking build in favor of Bestial Discipline. I definitely have been looking lustfully at Survivalist for my tanking build and dropping GFTT frees up all the points needed to get it. I'm just wondering, in your experience does 2/2 BD generate enough focus to be able to hit Growl and Thunderstomp every time they're up? I'm thinking you probably can't afford to use a focus dump for extra damage/threat if you go this route, so I'm assuming ... Tenacity Theorycraft Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:00:42 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/hunter-talents-for-pet-focus-t8.htm#25 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/hunter-talents-for-pet-focus-t8.htm http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/scorpid-sting-t15.htm Doug Is it worthwhile to try and keep scorpid sting up? It is a very large mana drain as far as I can tell but what I would really like to know is whether it affects the crit situation at all on the pet. Tenacity Theorycraft Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:23:28 GMT http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/scorpid-sting-t15.htm#63 http://bigredrhino.forumotion.com/tenacity-theorycraft-f3/scorpid-sting-t15.htm