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Pet Stamina Formula

Post  Zwicky on Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:50 am

So here it is, After some thought and contributions from Durante and ihlos

I'll be editing this post many times to help clarify / keep up to date so check back if you have questions or you think things have changed.

Pet health = FLOOR(Base Health + Stamina boost * Family Modifier) * Endurance Training

Stamina boost = ( FLOOR(FLOOR(45% Hunter's Stam * (1 Wild hunt mod) + Stamina buffs) * (1 Great Stam Mod) * (1 Blood Rhino Mod) + FLOOR( Pet Base stam * (1 Great Stam Mod) * (1 Blood Rhino Mod))) x 10


These two equations lead to the following table:

TalentsHunter StamPet Stam (white)Pet Stam (Green)HealthETGSBRWHCalc'd (white)Calc'd (green)Health Calc'dDifference"+Stam"
Nothing13823616211289311113616211289300
ET1382361621141821.11113616211418200
ET/GS1382404695155341.11.12114046951553310
ET/GS/BR1382420723160421.11.121.0414207231604110
ET/GS/BR/WH13824201013193911.11.121.041.442010131939100
GS13824046951412111.12114046951412100
GS/BR13824207231458311.121.0414207231458300
Nothing180361817223111136181722300
GS18040490776911.121140490776900
GS/BR18042094797911.121.04142094797900
ET1803618179451.111136181794500
ET/GS1804049085461.11.121140490854510
ET/GS/BR1804209487771.11.121.04142094877610
ET/GS/BR/WH18042013192041.11.121.041.4420131920400
Nothing17263617761452011113617761452000
ET1726361776159761.11113617761597240
ET/GS1726404869175431.11.12114048691754300
ET/GS/BR1726420903181211.11.121.0414209031812010
ET/GS/BR/WH17264201266223131.11.121.041.442012662231300
GS17264048691594811.12114048691594800
GS/BR17264209031647311.121.0414209031647300
Nothing1891361850168271.11113618501682700
ET18913611002185831.11113611002185821152
ET/GS18914041122204651.11.12114041122204650152
ET/GS/WH18914041504248781.11.1211.44041504248771152

ET= Endurance Training
GS= Great Stamina
BR= Blood of the Rhino
WH= Wild Hunt
Family 105.0%
Base 2582
Hunter 45.0%
Stam base 361


The farthest off that these found was 4 hp which i think is more than accurate for our sakes.

Anyone know how to make a good table in here? been trying a while.

Now to the armor formula....


Last edited by Ihlos on Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:56 am; edited 6 times in total (Reason for editing : Updated formula with stam buffs to show accuracy)

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Post  Zwicky on Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:51 am

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Post  Ihlos on Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:53 am

I'll look into making tables and what not, those will come in handy for sure when discussing these things, especially test data.

It looks like your test data confirms this formula exceptionally. I was wondering if you tested any stam buffs from food or other players. It looks like you didn't, so I was thinking I could help with that. Once thats tested out, and the formula stands strong, id say we've pinned it down pretty solidly. I can't think of anything else.....except maybe straight health buffs such as the warrior buff... where does that fit into the formula?
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Post  Ihlos on Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:03 pm

Ok so it looks like there are at least two ways to make a table. First is the table button, in the fourth grouping from the left in the buttons above the reply box. This allows creation of the table, which makes a very simple html table framework. View in the visual editor mode ( last button on the right ) to easily enter your own numbers.

Example:


HunterStamHealthstuff
6754344656
7677556446
434774666564

You can also paste in a table from excel with your own numbers already in it. this is a little finicky, so be careful to get it just the way you want it before pasting it in.

Example:



978987987
987987987
8758756785
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Post  Zwicky on Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:03 pm

I want to say it is like this but i haven't done the tests to confirm this yet so i havn't added in the equation yet.

Pet health = FLOOR(Base Health + Stamina boost * Family Modifier + Health buffs) * Endurance Training

If anyone has time to try this out help is always welcome.

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Post  Zwicky on Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:05 pm

I tried for a long time to get it to paste in. I got it to look real nice and paste well but then everytime i submitted it, I got the message is too long post because of the formatting of the table being so long. I'll mess with the table and see if i can get it to look better.

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Post  Ihlos on Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:30 pm

HunterStamDataResult
34533434234342343
343345690780998
96-59799875632048

Ok so I found a way to get what you want. Open your excel file, and save it as a csv. I prefer the MSDOS version, as its real clean.

Then take your csv file and copy/paste or upload it at the following converter website:

http://area23.brightbyte.de/csv2wp.php

Select your options, which should all be fine for basic csv. Hit convert to html and it gives you your table. The source for this page is a perfectly clean html version of your table which can be pasted into the reply window with great results.

Its a little out of the way, but the extra couple steps are worth it for a big table of research data.

If anyone finds a better way im all ears.
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Re: Pet Stamina Formula

Post  Zwicky on Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:33 am

Updated with a nice table and with Stam buffs to show accuracy.

PS Ihlos you should sticky this topic.

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Post  Ihlos on Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:56 am

Does your formula put kings in with stamina buffs?

The one durante emailed me appended kings onto the end, as seen here:

(Pet Base Stam + (Hunter Stamina * .45 * (1 + Wild Hunt Mod)) + Flat Stam buffs) * (1 + Great Stam Mod) * (1 + Blood of the Rhino Mod) * (1 + Kings Mod) = Pet Total Stam.

Note he also groups base and hunter stam, whereas your formual factors them out. From what I can tell they are identical, save for the kings at the end.

Im trying to boil all this down into a graphical representation that will be easy to understand, and I want to get it right!

Also, we calculated the "scaling" of hunter stamina to be at around 93% right?
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Post  Zwicky on Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:57 pm

Without testing it to prove it to myself i would have to go with what i think as far as how it would go. And i would have it exaclty as Durante does.

i.e.

Stamina boost = ( FLOOR(FLOOR(45% Hunter's Stam * (1 Wild hunt mod) + Stamina buffs) * (1 + Great Stam Mod) * (1 + Blood Rhino Mod) * (1+ Kings Mod) + FLOOR( Pet Base stam * (1 Great Stam Mod) * (1 Blood Rhino Mod)*(1 + Kings Mod))) x 10

They are the exact same except that mine is just extended out to further show how blizz is rounding down.

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Post  Ihlos on Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:55 pm

thats where i would have put it too. Check out my pictoral representation of the formula on the pet stats page. Once I get the rest of the pet stats updated ill make a more public announcement.

I want to thank you and Durante for putting time into this formula and for testing. I haven't had alot of time and what I do have has gone to the site and the forums' creation and updating. So its really nice to have some theorycrafting pros cranking out great stuff.
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Re: Pet Stamina Formula

Post  Kheldul on Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:39 pm

I've seen many bug reports (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10023&sid=1) about Wild Hunt not actually providing the stated benefit. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
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Post  Zwicky on Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:02 pm

As far as a Bm i never had any trouble with getting the numbers for my formula, however when i was unspecced trying to test the 1/2 in WH i could not get it to provide any benifit whatsoever. I logged/dismissed/changed pet and nothing. With a Bm all it takes is a simple dismiss and he'll come back with the right health. At least when i was gathering all the numbers for the table above.

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Post  Durante on Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:18 pm

I occasionally have that issue, but dismissing my pet and recalling it has always solved the problem for me. I always pause to look at my pet's HP before putting points in Wild Hunt so I can tell whether or not its been activated.
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Post  Kheldul on Fri May 01, 2009 8:41 am

I'm seemingly not able to get the benefit from Wild Hunt. I have some screenshots here: http://hunter-dps.dungeoneer.com/2009/05/hunting-for-wild-hunt.html
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Post  Zwicky on Fri May 01, 2009 8:46 am

Same thing i was seeing Khel, maybe they dont want use of the top tier when not BM. I dont know if this is intended or just a bug but we should get some clarification from a blue on this.

1/2 or 2/2 when in my BM spec works after a dismiss.
1/2 when not BM doesn't work no matter what i do.

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Post  Durante on Fri May 01, 2009 9:12 am

Switching out a piece of gear or changing your aspect out of or to Dragonhawk will update your pet's stats taking Wild Hunt into effect. Considering Dragonhawk updates the stats and puts Wild Hunt into effect, its possible that receiving any buff would to, so it wouldn't be a problem when in a group.

I've also noticed that if you swap gear to put Wild Hunt into effect, then spec out of WH, it stays in effect as long as you don't switch gear. of course I would never encourage anyone to use any sort of exploit ( Twisted Evil ), but as long as you planned ahead of time it seems like you could use that to essentially get two extra talent points.
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